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September 2, 2007
International Old Timers Motocross Congress Meeting
Masonic Hall, Fernley, Nevada
Members Present:
Oregon: Mitch Alden
3910
NW Columbia St
Vancouver,
WA 98660
360-695-0721
Webmaster@OregonOldtimers.com
Washington: Mark Kaestner
5911
Nelson Siding Rd
Cle
Elum, WA 98922
509-656-0399
JuneKaestner@netscape.net
Garry Roestel
PO Box 760
North Bend, WA 98045
425-864-4907
Groestelmechanical@msn.com
Sierra: Bob Mars
1816
Monterey Pines
Roseville,
CA 95747
916-772-8090
B_Mars@peoplepc.com
Stu Douglas (Chairman)
11165 Kelly Ct
Grass Valley, CA 95949
916-257-4218
maglife@pacbell.net
British Columbia: Don & Pat Tocher
20411 – 36
Ave
Langley,
BC V3A 2R6 Canada
604-534-0916
d-tocher@shaw.ca
Nevada: Lynn Chapel
235
Sells St
Reno,
NV 89431
775-356-1976
lynn@pro-designs.net
Jim Hershman
3050 Ironwood Rd
Reno, NV 89510
775-475-0508
OTMX7N@aol.comDuane Quick
2098 Holman Way
Sparks, NV 89431
775-331-8371
Los Angeles: Mike Burnett
617
S. Silver Ridge St
Ridgecrest,
CA 93555
805-852-4236
mrbfb@yahoo.com
Idaho: Mike Robinson
206 Applewood
Circle
Nampa, ID 83686
208-463-0312
Wyatt Foss
7013 Leisure Ln
Nampa, ID 83607
208-461-1952
Central Valley: Ron Clawson 559-686-4040 Office
711
W. Inyo 559-734-7525 Home
Tulare,
CA 93274 559-280-8009 Cell
ronclawson@sbcglobal.net
SoCal: Rich Kastner
30555
Aaron Rd
Menifee,
CA 92584
951-265-4209
jandr51054@juno.com
Arizona: Jerry Harpole
18884
N. Summerbreeze Way
Surprise,
AZ 85374
623-584-5652
jerryharpole@aol.com
(Inactive Las Vegas): Bert Minchow
There were no reps from Alberta OTMX or Rocky Mountain OTMX.
Meeting called to order at 5:10 pm at the Masons Hall in Fernley, NV by Sierra OTMX Chairman, Stu Douglas. We went around the table and each chapter Rep introduced themselves and each paid their $250. We collected $2500.
Agenda Items:
1. Oregon OTMX: Mitch Alden – No Agenda Items.
2. Washington OTMX: Garry Roestel proposed “Bring
Back Club Championship.” Each year a Club will be named International
Club Champion for the year they won it. All clubs will donate A set amount
to buy a Large trophy that can be passed on to the Club that wins, year after
year the same Trophy. The Club that wins the International Club Championship
for starting in year 2008. Washington will look into cost and give each club
a look at said Trophy before it is order and purchased, all clubs can have
impute to the size and cost of trophy. The Trophy will have ample room on it
for all future years and the Club winning will pay to have its Name and year
engraved on the Trophy in 2"X1" name plate. The Winning Club will
keep it until the 1st race of the next year and then give it to the next winning
club at that race (2010).
The rule for International Club Champion are.
1. The International Old-timers Club Championship will utilize a positive
scoring system. Same as all Oldtimers receive now for a weekend of racing This
International points scoring system will be based on the overall event finish
position, not per moto. See Section XI (C.) of International rules.
2. Each Club will be scored for its rides as follows. Only 1 OT rider will score for each class and they will get the same score as they received for finish overall for the weekend of racing. Example Oregon 40+ Expert rider gets 1st place, Oregon gets 30 pts. 2nd place and 3rd are Oregon riders they receive no points. Idaho next Rider in the Expert Class with 4th place, Idaho scores 18 point for 4th place, next rider is Washington at 5th place they get 16 points. You only get to score 1 position per class. This way the small clubs have a chance at winning too, all they only have to have 1 OT rider in all 16 Classes to score well. If you have 1 rider in each class the minimum you can score for the weekend is 160 points if they all finish below 11th place in each class. Every class will score 30 points but depending on club finish not all class will score 2nd or 3rd etc., etc. The Club member that scores the highest in each class scores the points for the Club Championship for that class, that race. If you finish behind a member of your club you score no points.
3. For a rider to be eligible for his points to be counted, he or she has to be 1st time rider or been racing with a International card for that Club for 2 years. No club can solicited members from out side of their State or club to ride for them in up-coming years. No getting ringers for a class. If you are and exciting Oldtimer you have to have raced 2 complete years for a club or just turned 40 years old to have your scores counted.
4. If and Old timer rides 2 classes, only the top score will be counted for 1 class. Example 40+ Master and then 50+ Masters, only 1 class counts. No Old timer can be counted on a single weekend for more than 1 class.
5. The Club with the most point wins the International Club Champion for that racing year and bragging right for all of next year racing. All 16 classes count and all 12 races count.
6. The International Score keeper will keep all the records and score all points for the International Club Champion for each year. (This was revised to read Garry Roestel will be the major keeper of the stats provided by Annie.)
Seconded by LA. Much Discussion.
Vote Taken:
Oregon – Yes LA
- Yes
Wash – Yes Idaho
- No
Sierra – Yes CV
- Yes
BC – Yes SoCal
- No
Nevada – Yes Arizona – No
7 – Yes; 3 – No. Motion
Carried.
This will require additional wording be added to the Rules and Procedures.
3. Sierra OTMX: Bob Mars proposed additional wording to the rules:
XII. RULES OF THE MEET
G. A presiding Riding Committee will be formed at each International Championship race. Each chapter competing will have one representative on this committee. This individual should be a member of his chapter’s riding committee, thus, he will be more familiar with his own riders. This committee will meet prior to each days riders meeting and the meeting time will be part of the printed program. The hosting chapter will post a sign up sheet near the race results for each chapter representative to register. This will indicate to riders who their representative is, and to the hosting chapter referee who to refer to for resolution of disputes. On Saturday morning, chapter reps should meet after the first round of motos, to discuss other issues. In addition to the responsibilities previously outlined, the Presiding Riding Committee will rule on the following (their decision will be final):
1. Protests (lodged only by riders in the same moto - nothing else will be considered) shall be lodged with the rider’s chapter representative on the Presiding Riding Committee. The protest must be in writing and lodged within one half hour after completion of the moto in question.
Proposal to add the following:
“a.
The Presiding Riding Committee shall meet only as a group and the decision
documented. The documentation shall state the issue, date, and have the
signatures of all attending with their vote (yes-no-abstain) following the
signature.
b. If a
member of the Presiding Riding Committee is competing in the class in question,
he/she shall abstain from the voting on that specific issue.
c. The completed
document shall be forwarded to the International Scorekeeper so as to provide
a reference for future events.”
Seconded by BC. Discussion followed.
Vote Taken:
Oregon – No LA
- Yes
Wash – Yes Idaho
- Yes
Sierra – Yes CV
- Yes
BC – Yes SoCal
- Yes
Nevada – Yes Arizona – Yes
9 – Yes;
1 - No; Motion carried.
This will require an addition to the Rules and Procedures.
We broke for dinner at 6:00 pm. Arrangements had been made with the hall to have dinner tonight but management of the hall changed during the year. Our date was written in but there was no one available to prepare our dinner. I mentioned it to Lynn Chapel and she and Greg took it from there. THANK YOU LYNN & GREG!
4. British Columbia: Don Tocher presented the following items:
V. Meetings
E. ADD: “Minor changes in wording shall be allowed, for clarification
purposes only, providing the intent of the proposal does not change.”
Motion seconded and carried unanimously.
This will require additional wording to be added to the Rules and Procedures.
IX. Rider Classification.
Proposal: Add the following words found in bold (mostly housekeeping).
A. An unclassified rider at International Championship events will be
classified by the presiding riding committee. If this committee cannot
reach a decision, the rider in question will be placed in the AMATEUR class. This
new rider will have some form of identification that is dignified, during his
first moto so that he can be identified by the presiding riding committee. This
identification could be colored yellow ribbons either on his
helmet or on his arm. Should it become apparent that the rider has been
improperly classified the rider may be moved up or down. Points will
not be scored for the rider’s first moto, if he is moved up or
down. When a rider is moved up or down a class
at an event, the first moto will be the average of the following four. When
the decimal point is .5 and above, the finish position will be rounded up. If
it is .4 it will be the lower score.
Motion seconded and carried unanimously.
This will require a wording revision to the Rules and Procedures.
XII. RULES OF THE MEET
B. Proposal: Add at the bottom of the list of class moto times: A
club must not cut the length of motos of the Oldtimer classes. If they
realize they are going to run out of time, they must make up the time through
manipulation of the non-Oldtimer classes.
Seconded by CV and passed unanimously.
This will require additional wording to be added to the Rules and
Procedures.
D. Add the word “together” between “practice” and “for”: “Old-timers
are to practice by themselves. The Masters and Experts will practice together for
15 minutes; the Amateurs…..”
Seconded by SoCal. After much discussion the motion/proposal was withdrawn.
XI. SCORING SYSTEM
Proposal: Add an additional paragraph to this: “All points
earned in any given class remain in that class and cannot be carried to another
class.”
Seconded by Nevada and passed unanimously.
This will require additional wording to be added to the Rules and
Procedures.
BC: Is it true that the President can vote only to break a tie? Don quoted in Roberts Rules where that is explained so the Proposal was to Revise Robert’s Rules of Order. Don made a motion to eliminate the right of the Chairman to vote. Seconded by Nevada. Discussion followed. All voted unanimously to eliminate the right of the Chairman to vote at all. This does not revise Roberts Rules; it only applies to the International Oldtimers Rules and Procedures.
XII. RULES OF THE MEET
O. A rider who passes or jumps on a yellow flag will be docked a lap
for that moto.
Proposal: Change the Yellow flag wording to adopt the AMA wording, slightly
modified to suit our situation. Seconded by LA. Discussion followed. SoCal
has a similar issue. Topic tabled to discuss later with the SoCal issue.
5. Alberta OTMX was not represented.
6. Nevada OTMX had no agenda items, Duane Quick, Lynn Chapel, and Jim Hershman.
7. LA OTMX had no agenda items. Mike Burnett told us about the forthcoming event: LA Oldtimers and the LA Over the Hill Gang are putting on a MX at Mammoth Mountain on June 28-29, 2008. They will accept 200 entries from Oldtimers and 200 entries from the Gang each day.
8. Idaho OTMX. Mike Robinson and Wyatt Foss -
a. Reminder: Rules state all race track fees must be on the poster.
b. Change the Congress Meeting agenda to schedule our next years dates earlier
on the program. Seconded by Oregon/BC and passed unanimously.
First item on agenda: Collecting the money from each chapter.
Second item on agenda: Selecting the date for the following year.
c. Reminder: Rules state that the reps from each chapter must walk the
track the day before the race and vote on any dangers to be removed.
d. Reminder: No dangerous double jumps or other obstacles will be allowed
on an old-timer track.
9. Central Valley, Ron Clawson, had no agenda items.
10. SoCal OTMX: Rich Kastner
Proposal #1: IX. Rider Classification. “The
rider must have competed in at least three races in order for his/her average
to be computed for the purpose of move ups.” Seconded by LA. Discussion
followed.
Vote Taken:
Oregon – No LA – No Motion
denied.
Wash – No Idaho
- No
SOT – No CV – No
BC – No SoCal
- Yes
Nev – No Arizona – No
Proposal #3: XII. RULES OF THE MEET.
Add the wording to paragraph O. “If a rider violates the yellow
flag rule in two or more motos during the weekend, he/she will be disqualified
for that event.”
Seconded by BC and passed unanimously.
This will require additional wording to be added to the Rules and Procedures.
Proposal #2: XII. RULES OF THE MEET
O. A rider who passes or jumps on a yellow flag will be docked a lap
for that moto. Change the wording. Seconded by BC
BC Proposed wording: “Yellow – caution. When a yellow flag is displayed, competitors must ride cautiously until they have passed the incident that caused the flag. In motocross, when a yellow flag is displayed there is no passing or jumping between the flag and the incident that caused the yellow flag. Failure to do so may result in the rider being docked from one finishing position all the way to disqualification from the event, subject to the referee’s or a majority decision by the Club Reps.”
SoCal Proposed wording: “When a rider is approaching a yellow flag, they are to immediately use caution and slow down. A rider who passes, jumps, rides at full race speed or rides in a manner deemed unsafe by track officials during a yellow flag situation will be docked a lap for that moto.”
There was much discussion on how to enforce when to slow down versus “approaching” the
yellow flag. All chapters need to enforce the caution flag approach.
Vote taken:
Oregon – no LA – Yes 9 – yes;
1 - no
Wash – yes Idaho – Yes Motion
carried.
SOT – yes CV
- Yes
BC – yes SoCal
- Yes
Nev - yes Arizona – yes
This will require additional wording to be added to the Rules and
Procedures.
The wording to be added will be from BC.
SoCal withdrew their proposal.
Event dates for 2008: Taken in seniority order; listed in calendar
order.
Arizona – March 1-2, 2008, place TBA
LA – March 15-16, 2008, LA CR
Central Valley – April 5-6, 2008, Tulare, CA
Idaho – April 19-20, 2008, Owyee/Boise, Idaho
Rocky Mountain – May 3-4, 2008 (tentative)
Washington – May 24-25, 2008, place TBA
Sierra – June 7-8, 2008, Hangtown
Oregon – July 12-13, 2008, Washougal
British Columbia – August 9-10, 2008, Agassiz
Alberta – August 16-17, 2008 (tentative)
Nevada – August 30-31, 2008, Fernley, NV
SoCal – October 11-12, 2008, Glen Helen, Ca
Host for Congress 2008 will be the Washington Old timers. Place to be
determined soon.
Date will be Sunday, August 31, 2008. Garry Roestel will check
into the casinos in Fernley.
2009 will be Idaho
2010 will be Central Valley
Meeting adjourned at 8:51 pm.
Annie McCarthy
Secretary/Scorekeeper